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Cheaper And More Important Than The F-22

November 22, 2008: While the U.S. Air Force is tying itself in knots trying to get its new generation (F-22 and F-35) of fighters funded and built, the U.S. Navy is coping with a more mundane problem; electronic warfare. The navy is starting to get the first of 85 EA-18G electronic warfare aircraft ready for action. These will replace the aging EA-6Bs that now provide electronic protection against enemy radars and missiles for navy and air force aircraft. The air force retired their EF-111 electronic warfare aircraft in 1994, on the assurance that the navy would get the EA-18G into service before the EA-6Bs died of old age.

Last June the navy received its first operational (as opposed to developmental) EA-18G ("Growler") electronic warfare aircraft. The current electronic warfare aircraft, the 27 ton EA-6Bs, are not expected to last much beyond 2015 (they entered service in 1971). They are being replaced by the 29 ton EA-18G. The older EA-6B carries a crew of four, while the highly automated EA-18G will have only two people on board. The EA-18G carries up to five electronic warfare pods, plus two AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and two anti-radiation (HARM) missiles. It may be the last manned aircraft to handle the EW job. UAVs are becoming more capable, and will eventually take over this dangerous task.

 The navy will receive 52 EA-18Gs over the next four years, and another 30 after that (at the rate of about five a year). The U.S. Air Force and Marine Corps are planning on developing an electronic warfare version of the new F-35, or use a UAV, if the EA-18Gs are not plentiful, or powerful enough to provide all the electronic protection needed in future wars. Production of the F-18E is not yet complete, with only about 80 percent of the 493 ordered delivered.

Despite the high expense all the electronic gear, the F-18G is not the most expensive combat aircraft out there. The F-22 costs $355 million each. The low budget F-18E costs $94 million each, while the F-18G goes for $105 million. The F-35 costs $122 million. Even unmanned aircraft are pricy, with the Global Hawk costing $182 million each. Older fighters, like the F-16, cost $60 million, and an F-15E goes for about $100 million.

These prices constantly fluctuate because of the need to incorporate a share of the development cost for each aircraft built. While most development expense occurs before mass production begins, there is sometimes considerable additional development expense, or major refurbishment, later in the lifetime of an aircraft. Many modern warplanes cost more than most warships, and have the same high maintenance (periodic refurbishment and development of new components) expenses.

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Camp       11/22/2008 12:52:21 PM
Seems like it would make more sense to budget another 50 EA-18Gs for the Navy. And create EW Naval Detachments to rotate through a Joint Missions Program with (lend them out to) the Air Force.
 
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GrantLee       11/22/2008 2:07:32 PM
Yes EW is deathly important, as are other aspects of killing the bad guys, but drop the lame attack on the F-22, which along with the F-35s, do their own stealthy EW/EA.  F-22 are $140M flyaway cost compared to $94M flyaway cost for FA-18E/F--NOT $350M.  Want to really contribute to a rational discussion about "what's going on in the world/warfare," then please get your facts straight.  Your Raptor exaggerations sound like the misinformed elites on the Pentagon's 3rd floor who reject truth and instead prefer to make up facts as they go along.  As a fighter pilot who's seen how the Raptor can dominate "at will" in a real Air Campaign exercise against the very best and latest 4th gen FA-18E/Fs and F-15Cv2s and F-16CB50+.  I saw the 180:1 kill ratios and it became sickeningly clear that we need more of these machines that cruise around at 60,000' and Mach 1.8 bypassing Red Air protection (inluding jammers) and kill strategic assets first and then finish off the best Red Air fighters on their way out of the target area.  If you want to believe the OSD/PAE and OSD/ATL zealots and be stupid enough to fly a jet (or drive a tank or dive a sub or..) that only has a marginal kill advantage over what the Chinese and Russians have, JUST BECAUSE your jet is half the price--then go ahead.  If you want Air Superiority for the next 30 years vs. ANYTHING the bad guys can throw at us--then we need to buy 150-200 more F-22s and we should buy them at the rate (32/yr) that will allow us to pay only $90M apiece for them, vs their $140M current pricetag.  Yes, its true Martha, the only reason F/A-18EF are $90M each is because OSD will let Boeing build them at 42-70/yr... so PLEASE, only give us factual apples-to-apples comparisons and TELL the TRUTH about the F-22.
 
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esmoore5       11/22/2008 7:13:09 PM
There's also renewed interest in an B-52 jammer for the USAF:
 
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esmoore5       11/22/2008 7:16:27 PM
Hmm, the link didn't work when I posted it normal mode, lets try it in HTML mode: link
 
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esmoore5       11/22/2008 7:17:52 PM

Hmm, the link didn't work when I posted it normal mode, lets try it
in HTML mode:
http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1536/buff-blogging-kick-out-the-jams"" target="_blank">link target="_blank">link


Ok, links work when I post them in HTML mode, but not when I post them in normal mode. Odd.
 
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cwDeici       11/23/2008 8:45:01 AM

Yes EW is deathly important, as are other aspects of killing the bad guys, but drop the lame attack on the F-22, which along with the F-35s, do their own stealthy EW/EA.  F-22 are $140M flyaway cost compared to $94M flyaway cost for FA-18E/F--NOT $350M.  Want to really contribute to a rational discussion about "what's going on in the world/warfare," then please get your facts straight.  Your Raptor exaggerations sound like the misinformed elites on the Pentagon's 3rd floor who reject truth and instead prefer to make up facts as they go along.  As a fighter pilot who's seen how the Raptor can dominate "at will" in a real Air Campaign exercise against the very best and latest 4th gen FA-18E/Fs and F-15Cv2s and F-16CB50+.  I saw the 180:1 kill ratios and it became sickeningly clear that we need more of these machines that cruise around at 60,000' and Mach 1.8 bypassing Red Air protection (inluding jammers) and kill strategic assets first and then finish off the best Red Air fighters on their way out of the target area.  If you want to believe the OSD/PAE and OSD/ATL zealots and be stupid enough to fly a jet (or drive a tank or dive a sub or..) that only has a marginal kill advantage over what the Chinese and Russians have, JUST BECAUSE your jet is half the price--then go ahead.  If you want Air Superiority for the next 30 years vs. ANYTHING the bad guys can throw at us--then we need to buy 150-200 more F-22s and we should buy them at the rate (32/yr) that will allow us to pay only $90M apiece for them, vs their $140M current pricetag.  Yes, its true Martha, the only reason F/A-18EF are $90M each is because OSD will let Boeing build them at 42-70/yr... so PLEASE, only give us factual apples-to-apples comparisons and TELL the TRUTH about the F-22.


Word. I wouldn't say my China is that close, but Russia is and only the JSF and 22 will stay ahead by a wide swath for decades.
 
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nyetneinnon       11/25/2008 1:56:13 AM
USAF needs a recession-worthy EA capable tactical asset (and I don't mean a possible $5+ billion additional R&D F-35 variant (plus around $200 million per copy) which could be delivered by 2019, assuming politics allow it then).
 
Alternative solution:  spend $40-$50 million per retiring F-16D model, plus maybe $2-3 billion R&D, and convert to an F-16X/XL type variant with new engine, wing, extension, structural, gear and cockpit to incorporate off the shelf F-18G EA hardware and relevant products/support.
 
As a bonus, each EF-16xx could be modularized to incorporate a buddy-store refuel system to refuel friendly probed a/c or any US legacy craft while still in service, flying with sufficient probed external wing-tank system.
 
Thus, for each $80m per program unit price, USAF could have a more affordable, efficient, reliable, longer ranged and more overall capable multi-role EA/tactical tankers - such a variant perhaps even worthy enough for the USMC to order to support its SH any future F-35 units!
 
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