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Son Of Blue Force Tracker

October 18, 2008: After years of complaints from the users, the U.S. Army is building a new version of its "Blue Force Tracker" tracking (for vehicles on the battlefield) device.  During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Blue Force Tracker (BFT, GPS/satellite telephone devices) were hastily placed in thousands of combat vehicles. Anyone with a laptop, satellite data receiver, the right software and access codes could then see where everyone was (via a map showing blips for each BFT user).

This hasty (all the stuff was still in development) experiment was a huge success, and the United States has proceeded to add more of this capability by producing and distributing 50,000 additional tracker devices. There are some problems, however. The biggest hassle is the delay (often up to five minutes) between getting updated data from the satellite. Another big problem is that stationary icons, placed on BFT user screens to indicate enemy troops or dangers (like minefields or roadside bombs), don't get updated accurately, or in a timely fashion. Once the troops begin to encounter a lot of roadside bombs that don't exist (although Blue Force Tracker shows them), they begin to lose faith in the system. Fixing this is not easy, although several different solutions are being tried.

The army believes it has fixes for the major complaints. For example, BFT2 will have a ten second (or less) delay between satellite updates. New software will help clear away inaccurate icons indicating where the enemy is, or may be. The BTF2 network will also allow users to send more information to each other, including attachments. This will enable BFT2 to be used in automated command and control systems, that work more effectively because they can pass more information, more quickly, between the headquarters and the troops.

While the existing BFT laptop (which includes the satellite communications hardware) costs $1,500. BTF2 will cost $2,500 each (but will be a much more powerful piece of equipment). Currently the army and marines have 55,000 BFT tracking devices (and far fewer laptops equipped to display BFT data for commanders), and plans to get at least as many of the BFT2 units, and perhaps as many as 120,000. BFT2 is expected to start shipping to the troops in two years. There are already eight BFT2 prototypes undergoing testing.

 

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newjarheadean    Spy beware   10/18/2008 1:19:42 PM
AHOY, of course all of these issues were known at the time BFT1 went to the field, however US knew someone would sale the software to the other side, so they waited and watch who it would be all the while writing the "next war version" and the back up and special forces version and the mainframe DoD master version. G-day!
 
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gf0012-aust       10/18/2008 4:24:16 PM

 however US knew someone would sale the software to the other side,


the software can only be onsold via US State Dept.  they can't sell it direct.  hence anyone else with it has is due to a State Dept /USGovt release.
 
Software sales like this aren't like going in, copying a disk and then using it elsewhere from the ghosted copy.  It's a bit more robustly managed.
 
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gf0012-aust       10/18/2008 4:26:42 PM
Further to prev, and it's also more than just software..
 
apart from that the new gen BFT has been made available to US partners for quite a while....

 
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DarthAmerica       10/19/2008 2:08:22 AM

Further to prev, and it's also more than just software..

 

apart from that the new gen BFT has been made available to US partners for quite a while....





Adding to this. The old BFT is like MS + PC. The new one is more of an end to end solution when thought of in DoD terms and would be a lot more like Apple + MAC. It seems there is a bit of fudging in the narration of the BFT concept of operation in this article as well. No one loses faith in the system and it doesn't quite work the way writer describes. Try to think of the way it worked before things like BFT except now you have a visual gods eye view of what would normally handled over FM and transcribed on a sector sketch or map.
 
RE: your last comment GF. Remember that photo op I posted in the Aust board a while back...;)
 
 
-DA
 
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gf0012-aust       10/19/2008 3:13:28 AM

 It seems there is a bit of fudging in the narration of the BFT concept of operation in this article as well. No one loses faith in the system and it doesn't quite work the way writer describes.


I think it was sound bite "dumbed down" to meet general comprehension.  But, IMV there's a loss in translation if the message is confused by dud info ...  It makes a few wrong and numerous generalisations...

 
except now you have a visual gods eye view of what would normally handled over FM and transcribed on a sector sketch or map.

think of god  in the sense of having the eyes of a fly - lots of  "prismatic" sensors which return info to various other receptors before processing
 

RE: your last comment GF. Remember that photo op I posted in the Aust board a while back...;)


 it's always good when family get together even when unannounced... ;)
 
 
 
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FJV    How to secure such a thing?   10/19/2008 4:26:38 AM
So what happens when one of those "laptops" fall into the hands of the opponent, while it is still logged in?
Does he get a view of the complete US deployment or only of the US deployment the captured unit needs to know about?
And how fast can you change the encryption on all the US devices in  such an operation?
 
And with the command and control software, how long will the oppenent get to issue orders to other units?
 
 

 
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gf0012-aust       10/19/2008 4:37:56 AM

So what happens when one of those "laptops" fall into the hands of the opponent, while it is still logged in?

Does he get a view of the complete US deployment or only of the US deployment the captured unit needs to know about?

And how fast can you change the encryption on all the US devices in  such an operation?

And with the command and control software, how long will the oppenent get to issue orders to other units?



you're seriously expecting to get answers to that on a public forum? :)
 
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panzerc       10/19/2008 7:46:40 PM




So what happens when one of those "laptops" fall into the hands of the opponent, while it is still logged in?



Does he get a view of the complete US deployment or only of the US deployment the captured unit needs to know about?




And how fast can you change the encryption on all the US devices in  such an operation?




And with the command and control software, how long will the oppenent get to issue orders to other units?








you're seriously expecting to get answers to that on a public forum? :)


ok i think i can give you guys some much needed answers on this matter. i am the digital master trainer on the fbcb2/bft a.k.a. blue force tracker for my battalion and one of the 30 in my brigade that has the master certification. not bad for an 11b eh. anyways BFT for the most part is not a laptop system. and it cost a lot more than $1500 stated in the article per system. each vehicle system cost 40k and even the laptop models cost more than the $1500 stated. as far as my brigade goes each battalion will get two laptop BFT systems and they stay in the battalion TOC. one is unclassified while the second is classified. everyone else gets the vehicle mounted system. if you're a company commander then you get a route planning kit that will allow you to detatch the monitor from the vehicle and set it up in the company CP. ok regarding the whole falling into enemy hands things, its just not possible. if a vehicle equiped with BFT was overrun then it can pretty much self destruct itself by frying its CPU. you can destroy it yourself with litterally a couple of clicks on the monitor or another vehicle can tag your vehicle and destroy it themselves. plus once that system turns on, everyone can see you so if you know what vehicle was overrun one day and shows up on screen two days later you pretty much know where that bad guy is. all of this is unclassified information and should be easy to look up. the army is trying to get the whole system classified though. regarding the 5 minute delay thats true and false. for a ground vehicle its position will update every 5 min or after several hundred meters. helicopters update every 30 sec and i believe 800m. depending on how you have your filters set up you can send in a sitrep or message within a few seconds.  i hope this answers some of your questions
 
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newjarheadean    gfoo12 aust and FJV   10/19/2008 9:30:10 PM
AHOY, I'm not sure i understand all the layered security system with the DoD, however if it works I would think Microsoft, Apple and Mac would have been using the same procedures years ago. Maybe its really a Buntu or what ever that companies name is that suposedly has never been hacked. FJV as far as individual laptop security gose, I would think there could be a continuous retina scan of the user, if someone else is operating it computer sprays out a deadly mist LOL. G-day!
 
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arodrig6       10/22/2008 3:34:08 PM

AHOY, I'm not sure i understand all the layered security system with the DoD, however if it works I would think Microsoft, Apple and Mac would have been using the same procedures years ago.

Consumer software has different constraints than secure embedded systems. The biggest one is that consumer (even server) products have ease of use considerations that secure systems don't. For example, if Windows or MacOS required the user to use a biometric scanner to log in, or two-factor authenticaion (i.e. CryptoCard), it would be wildly unpopular with users, who would complain and switch platforms. A classified system doesn't have the same requirement - if biometrics, extra passwords, etc... are deemed necessary, they are put in place. 
 
Also, Windows, MacOS, etc... have to be open systems in that they have to allow the end user to install new software, often from unverified sources. Ideally, software can be compartmentalized and the OS can prevent malicious software from doing bad things, but again there is a conflict between ease of use and security.

 
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newjarheadean    arodrig6   10/22/2008 3:57:11 PM
AHOY, thanks I appreciate the information and understand what your saying kind of down the lines of milspecs. My only point was that IMO, Micro soft, Apple, Mac, etc are the real brains behind the software wars. Also realized one counter to biometrics sensors would be someone holding a gun to the operator just off camera using another camera to see whats on screen. What about using a camcorder to record info on internet to be veiwed at leasure latter. The fact that you only spend a few seconds on page would leave net police to think you were not interrested. G-day!
 
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arodrig6       10/23/2008 11:52:23 AM

AHOY, thanks I appreciate the information and understand what your saying kind of down the lines of milspecs. My only point was that IMO, Micro soft, Apple, Mac, etc are the real brains behind the software wars. Also realized one counter to biometrics sensors would be someone holding a gun to the operator just off camera using another camera to see whats on screen. What about using a camcorder to record info on internet to be veiwed at leasure latter. The fact that you only spend a few seconds on page would leave net police to think you were not interrested. G-day!


Ah, sorry I misunderstood.  
 
I would definitely agree that the human tends to be the weak link in any security system.
 
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gf0012-aust       10/23/2008 4:48:08 PM

ok i think i can give you guys some much needed answers on this matter. i am the digital master trainer on the fbcb2/bft a.k.a. blue force tracker for my battalion and one of the 30 in my brigade that has the master certification. not bad for an 11b eh. anyways BFT for the most part is not a laptop system. and it cost a lot more than $1500 stated in the article per system. each vehicle system cost 40k and even the laptop models cost more than the $1500 stated. as far as my brigade goes each battalion will get two laptop BFT systems and they stay in the battalion TOC. one is unclassified while the second is classified. everyone else gets the vehicle mounted system. if you're a company commander then you get a route planning kit that will allow you to detatch the monitor from the vehicle and set it up in the company CP. ok regarding the whole falling into enemy hands things, its just not possible. if a vehicle equiped with BFT was overrun then it can pretty much self destruct itself by frying its CPU. you can destroy it yourself with litterally a couple of clicks on the monitor or another vehicle can tag your vehicle and destroy it themselves. plus once that system turns on, everyone can see you so if you know what vehicle was overrun one day and shows up on screen two days later you pretty much know where that bad guy is. all of this is unclassified information and should be easy to look up. the army is trying to get the whole system classified though. regarding the 5 minute delay thats true and false. for a ground vehicle its position will update every 5 min or after several hundred meters. helicopters update every 30 sec and i believe 800m. depending on how you have your filters set up you can send in a sitrep or message within a few seconds.  i hope this answers some of your questions


there are a couple of people in here who have my govt email address.  so they actually do know where I work.
 
none of the information we are provided with by the US on existing and future BFT technology is permitted to be discussed on an open forum.  some are ITARS caveats, but in general, the info we are given is embargoed.
 
generally speaking, having had to deal with the new generation of BFT technology thats being tested, I'm surprised that you'd give out any detail on an open forum.
 
usually the US is super sensitive on dishing out even basic details that could compromise theirs and ours (warfighters).
 
again, am surprised you're even comfortable flagging some of the known and less sensitive "vectors" in public
 
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panzerc       10/24/2008 10:02:36 AM



ok i think i can give you guys some much needed answers on this matter. i am the digital master trainer on the fbcb2/bft a.k.a. blue force tracker for my battalion and one of the 30 in my brigade that has the master certification. not bad for an 11b eh. anyways BFT for the most part is not a laptop system. and it cost a lot more than $1500 stated in the article per system. each vehicle system cost 40k and even the laptop models cost more than the $1500 stated. as far as my brigade goes each battalion will get two laptop BFT systems and they stay in the battalion TOC. one is unclassified while the second is classified. everyone else gets the vehicle mounted system. if you're a company commander then you get a route planning kit that will allow you to detatch the monitor from the vehicle and set it up in the company CP. ok regarding the whole falling into enemy hands things, its just not possible. if a vehicle equiped with BFT was overrun then it can pretty much self destruct itself by frying its CPU. you can destroy it yourself with litterally a couple of clicks on the monitor or another vehicle can tag your vehicle and destroy it themselves. plus once that system turns on, everyone can see you so if you know what vehicle was overrun one day and shows up on screen two days later you pretty much know where that bad guy is. all of this is unclassified information and should be easy to look up. the army is trying to get the whole system classified though. regarding the 5 minute delay thats true and false. for a ground vehicle its position will update every 5 min or after several hundred meters. helicopters update every 30 sec and i believe 800m. depending on how you have your filters set up you can send in a sitrep or message within a few seconds.  i hope this answers some of your questions






there are a couple of people in here who have my govt email address.  so they actually do know where I work.

 

none of the information we are provided with by the US on existing and future BFT technology is permitted to be discussed on an open forum.  some are ITARS caveats, but in general, the info we are given is embargoed.

 

generally speaking, having had to deal with the new generation of BFT technology thats being tested, I'm surprised that you'd give out any detail on an open forum.


 

usually the US is super sensitive on dishing out even basic details that could compromise theirs and ours (warfighters).

 

again, am surprised you're even comfortable flagging some of the known and less sensitive "vectors" in public




theres nothing i wrote that is classified information and it is also very public information. anyone can look up any of the BFT FM's and see its capabilities and how to operate the system. Again the system is unclassified. and there is definatley no information given. I am also very aware of what I can and can not say to people with or withuout the same clearance as myself.
 
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