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Israel and Germany Go Off To War Together

November 2, 2009: Germany is joining a growing list of NATO nations that are obtaining Israeli Heron UAVs for their troops in Afghanistan. A German firm is partnering with the Israeli manufacturer to provide maintenance services. The German Herons will become operational in Afghanistan in about four months.

Australian troops in Afghanistan begun using Israeli Heron UAVs two months ago. Last July, Australian troops went to Canada to receive training on the Heron, which Canadian troops have also adopted. Canada received its first Heron about a year ago. This model of the Heron is very similar to the 1.1 ton U.S. Predator. This Heron has a 500 pound payload capacity and can stay in the air for more than 24 hours per sortie. While Australia and Germany are buying its Herons, Canada is leasing them.

Last year, Canada also ordered half a dozen of the larger Israeli Heron TP UAVs. Equipped with a powerful (1,200 horsepower) turbo prop engine, the 4.6 ton aircraft can operate at 45,000 feet. That is, above commercial air traffic, and all the air-traffic-control regulations that discourage, and often forbid, UAV use at the same altitude as commercial aircraft. The Heron TP has a one ton payload, enabling it to carry sensors that can give a detailed view of what's on the ground, even from that high up. The endurance of 36 hours makes the Heron TP a competitor for the U.S. MQ-9 Reaper (or Predator B), which is the same size as Heron.

The Heron line of UAVs has been around longer than the Predators, and have a comparable track record. India and European nations have eagerly sought to buy various models of the Heron. The Heron TP is also suitable for maritime patrol, and is a low cost competitor to the Global Hawk, which has far more range than most nations need for their naval reconnaissance aircraft.

Heron is actually getting a lot of sales because the Predator manufacturer cannot keep up with American military and CIA orders. Israeli UAVs have a good reputation, although many nations avoid buying Israeli weapons because of the potential backlash from Arab oil suppliers. But in this case, politics is less important than providing their troops with an aircraft that has proved its ability to find an elusive enemy, and making it much more difficult to ambush your own troops. Israeli UAVs are used in 40 countries, and have a good reputation for reliability and effectiveness.

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The Lizard King       11/2/2009 12:51:51 PM
"Israeli UAVs have a good reputation"
 
Good reputation, heck they have been pioneers in this field; the rest of the world is playing
 
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LB    Heron TP vs MQ-9   11/2/2009 1:10:01 PM
The Heron TP and MQ-9 actually seem to be rather different aircraft.  The MQ-9 (Predator B) replaces the 115hp engine of the Predator with a 950 hp engine allowing up to 14 Hellfire missiles to be carried (or 2 500lb JDAMs with I think 4 Hellfires) but loads like this do allow for 36 hour flights which appear to be with less than the max 800lb internal sensor load (the max external load is 3,000lbs).  So the MQ-9 is geared for attack and recon flying at up to 25,000 ft with a 66 ft wingspan.
 
The Heron TP seems more focused on recon while being able to carry less weapons than an MQ-9; however, it flies at 45,000 with an 85 ft wingspan.  It replaces the 115 hp engine in the Heron with a 1,200hp PT6A.  The endurance with reduced load can be reportedly 70 hours.  Heron with reduced load has flown 50+ hours.  It's probably true that some are buying Israeli UAV's because they can't get US models quickly enough but there are missions where one has higher capability than the other.  If what is required is a recon/elint/comint load of up to 550 lbs than the Heron might be the most cost effective, highest ceiling at 32,000+ ft, and longest duration bird.
 
On many levels Israel is the world leader in UAVs.  The Heron is being or will be operated by Australia, Canada, France, Germany, India, Israel, Brazil, and even a few by US Southern Command vs the Predator operated by Italy, Turkey, UK, and US.  Certainly a Global Hawk is more capable than an Heron TP but exactly how much does each cost to purchase and operate and exactly what missions can each do better or more cost effectively than the other?  In any case one should be circumspect comparing Heron TP to MQ-9 as they seem to have a different operational focus.

 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       11/2/2009 4:31:07 PM
A welcome gapfiller that is available very fast (4 month sounds quite fast) , while most German UAV in the class of the Heron are still in  developement for some years ...
 
Some small types,  Tornado Recces and Luna Drones are operational every day in Afghanistan, but something like the Heron is still needed.  

 
This video shows the smallest type of German Uav, the size of a kite. 
 
 
 
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flyingarty    pretty Sad   11/6/2009 6:54:52 AM
"Heron is actually getting a lot of sales because the Predator manufacturer cannot keep up with American military and CIA orders."
 
This is pretty sad with 30,000,000 Americans out of work, maybe General Atomics needs to hire some more people?  Flyingarty
 
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