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Air Defense: S-300s Crowd The Coast
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March 26, 2010: China now has eight battalions of S-300PMU2 anti-aircraft missile systems, on the coast opposite Taiwan. These missiles have a range of 200 kilometers, and are positioned to fire on Taiwanese fighters as soon as they begin to cross the 180 kilometer wide Taiwan straits. This deployment dismayed most Taiwanese, although Taiwanese military leaders pointed out that they have Patriot anti-aircraft missiles deployed along the island coast. But the Patriot only has a range of 70 kilometers, and no one wants to talk about any electronic countermeasures Taiwan might have, that could neutralize the S-300 radars and missiles. 

It gets worse. Two years ago, China began upgrading its anti-aircraft missiles, along its southern coast (facing Taiwan), from S-300PMU1 and S-300PMU2 systems to the S-300PMU3 (which has been renamed the S-400 because of the large number of improvements.) The S-300/400 system is roughly equivalent to the U.S. Patriot system, and was originally known as the SA-10 to NATO, when the system first appeared in the early 1980s. There have been many upgrades since.

The missiles weigh 1.8 tons each and are 8.4 meters (26 feet) long and 51 cm (20) inches in diameter. The missiles have a range of some 200 kilometers (400 kilometers for one of the S-400 versions) and can hit targets as high as 32 kilometers (100,000 feet). The missile has a 145 kg (320 pound) warhead. The target acquisition radar has a range of 700 kilometers.

The S-400 has over five times the range of the U.S. Patriot, weighs twice as much and claims the ability to detect stealthy aircraft. The S-400 also has an anti-missile capability, which is limited to shorter range (3,500 kilometers) ballistic missiles. That would mean a warhead coming in at about 5,000 meters a second (the longer the range of a ballistic missile, the higher its re-entry speed.)

The S-400 system actually has two missiles, one of them being a smaller, shorter range (120 kilometers) one. The S-300/400 has no combat experience, but U.S. intelligence believes that the tests these systems have undergone indicate it is a capable air defense weapon. Just how capable won't be known until it actually gets used in combat. Taiwanese fighter pilots are not looking forward to being the first to experience that.

 

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warpig       3/26/2010 7:05:35 AM
I'd *love* to see the evidence for either of the main claims in this "news" item:  1) There are *EIGHT* battalions of S-300PMU-2 already in place.  2) There are S-400 missiles in place.
 
I'll bet the author that both of the above statements are false.
 
However, there is at least one S-300PMU-2 battalion already in place near Fujian and some more are likely going in.  My bet is they'll end up with four battalions across the Strait from Taiwan.  I don't think any S-400 equipment, much less missiles, have been deployed yet at all.  Of course, it certainly is possible that some will be eventually.
 
 
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Hamilcar    I agree with that.   3/26/2010 9:36:08 AM
The PRCs seem a lot more involved and exercised with their aviation disasters (J-10s are crashing about one every three months)  than with their SAMS right now. I expect to see some more HQ-7 and HQ-9 deployments in Fujian well before any of the S-400s claimed (mythical or otherwise). Looks good on the rails, or in the can, doesn't attract as much Beijing attention as the scorch mark on the ground where an aircraft or missile smacked it.
 
 
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YelliChink       3/26/2010 11:19:56 AM
Looks like that commies are really preparing for a war in near future.
 
And likely they'll get away with it without any serious US intervention.
 
God help us.
 
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Nichevo    C'mon   3/30/2010 6:35:49 PM
If you were that worried you'd have sent somebody to whack Obama by now.
 
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Lance Blade    please correct me if I'm wrong..   4/1/2010 5:37:49 PM

Looks like that commies are really preparing for a war in near future.

 

And likely they'll get away with it without any serious US intervention.

 

God help us.


But it it my understanding that the ruling party's agenda is eventual reunification with mainland China anyway. In this light, invading Taiwan outright would be bizzare and unproductive - if conquered, it'll wreck the PCR political system just like Poland and Hungary wrecked the Warsaw Pact. Far better to just wait, bide time and buy up Taiwan without bloodshed, surely... the missiles are probably a knee-jerk response to Obama selling Taiwan yet more jets.
 
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Aero       4/2/2010 1:28:46 AM
Where do you get the news that J-10 crash every 3 months?
 
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Hamilcar    Please!   4/2/2010 3:55:20 AM
 
http://www.alert5.com/newsphotos/J-10-1269423429_94991.jpg" width="450" height="338" /> 
Where do you get the news that J-10 crash every 3 months?
That's where, from the Chinese.


H.
 
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Heorot       4/2/2010 3:44:01 PM
A video showing one minor crash does not equate to losing one every three months.
 
He's making it up.
 
Again!!
 
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Hamilcar    Minor crash   4/2/2010 5:48:58 PM

A video showing one minor crash does not equate to losing one every three months.

 

He's making it up.

 

Again!!


 
H.
 
 
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Heorot       4/2/2010 6:23:52 PM
One crash in 2007 and one in 2010 still doesn't equate to one every 3 months.
 
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