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Air Defense: Belarus Merges With Big Brother
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October 14, 2008: Belarus and Russia have agreed to unite their air defense systems. This was announced as an effort to halt NATO aggression. Of all the former communist nations in Europe, Belarus is the only one still run by its Soviet era officials. Basically it's a police state, and very tight with Russia. While Russia would like Belarus to "rejoin" the "Russian Federation" (the official name for Russia), the Belarusians rather enjoy their independence (after many centuries of forcible incorporation into Russia). But in order to keep getting cut-rate oil and gas from Russia, Belarus goes along with these joint defense deals.

Two years ago, Belarus received 24 Russian S-300 missile systems. Roughly equivalent to the U.S. Patriot, S-300 was known as the SA-10 to NATO, when the system first appeared in the early 1980s. S-300 missiles weigh 1.8 tons each and are 26 feet long and about 20 inches in diameter. The missiles have a range of some 200 kilometers and can hit targets as high as 100,000 feet. The missile has a 320 pound warhead. Belarus and Russia have integrated their air defenses, mainly to give Russia more "depth" in case of an attack from the west.

Belarus has also received shorter range Tor M-1 system. Known to NATO as the SA-15 Gauntlet, the Tor-M1 has a maximum range of 12 kilometers. It is only effective up to 6,000 meters altitude. The system was designed as a successor to the SA-N-8 Gecko. Each launcher carries eight missiles, and it is claimed to be capable of engaging two targets simultaneously. The system was designed to be a tactical battlefield air-defense system, designed to take out close-air-support planes like the A-10 or tactical fighter-bombers like the F-4, F-16, and F-18.

 

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David.R    Did you sleep at school ?   10/14/2008 11:09:59 AM
While Russia would like Belarus to "rejoin" the "Russian Federation" (the official name for Russia), the Belarusians rather enjoy their independence (after many centuries of forcible incorporation into Russia).
 
When in history was Belarus independant ? Seems like Strategypage is Russia bashing again, Again we read lies about simple facts. I question this site frequently, even lower grade school facts are not safe from revisionism here.  
 
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doggtag    too much paranoia, not enough common sense trust   10/14/2008 12:06:10 PM
bottom of second paragraph:
Belarus and Russia have integrated their air defenses, mainly to give Russia more "depth" in case of an attack from the west.   "
 
See?
That's the sad state of affairs,
that the Russians are still so paranoid over NATO or some single western European country is going to launch a pre-emptive airstrike for whatever unforeseen reason,
and we have the US/NATO wanting to build ABM-type systems across NATO's more northern tiers (Poland, for example) on the grounds that we still fear the Russians pre-emptively launching a ballistic strike against western Europe for whatever unforeseen reasons.
 
And it turns out, both parties (Russia, western Europe) should be more concerned with other borders that what they're worrying over right now (European defensive missile shields should be in Turkey to stem off any Iranian, or even Syrian, threats (Syria might best be countered by installations in Greece or Italy),
and Russia has more to worry of china on its eastern border, or one or two other durkhastan countries, who could be more likely to grab at Russia's eastern resource deposits moreso than NATO or western Europe would make a stab at Russia's western regions (economically, why would the EU invade western Russia?).
 
It's fear-mongering like this that keeps us all foolishly in a state of mistrust,
each side still thinking they can one-up get the tactical edge over the other and use that as some strategic bargaining chip.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are people on both sides (US/NATO, Russia/former WP) who still can't grasp the non-linera, asymmetric warfare of these modern insurgencies, and would just as soon use their military and political clout to return us to a Cold War metality where everybody thought they knew everything it took to fight linear, symmetric warfare against adversaries whose tactics and doctrine were well-documented and, theoretically, well-countered.
 
That old adage: the more things change, the more they stay the same?
 
 
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warpig       10/14/2008 1:10:53 PM

While Russia would like Belarus to "rejoin"
the "Russian Federation" (the official name for Russia), the
Belarusians rather enjoy their independence (after many centuries of forcible
incorporation into Russia).

 

When in history was Belarus independant ? Seems like Strategypage is Russia bashing again, Again we read lies about simple facts. I question this site frequently, even lower grade school facts are not safe from revisionism here.  




 
From Wikipedia:
 
"Belarus declared itself sovereign on July 27, 1990, by issuing the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic. With the support of the Communist Party, the country's name was changed to the Republic of Belarus on August 25, 1991.[29] Stanislav Shushkevich, the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of Belarus, met with Boris Yeltsin of Russia and Leonid Kravchuk of Ukraine on December 8, 1991 in Belavezhskaya Pushcha to formally declare the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the formation of the Commonwealth of Independent States.[29] A national constitution was adopted in March 1994, in which the functions of prime minister were given to the president."
 
Prior to that I think it's basically always been part of Russia, and Poland, and Russia, and Lithuania, and Russia, and the Mongols, and Russia, and independent swampland before that, with occasional raids by Vikings, Teutonic knights, Cossacks, Huns, and other barbarians.
 
 
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Geodanah    Just a Quibble   10/15/2008 3:10:12 AM
   The Gecko is a SA-8 (SA-N-4) not a SA-N-8. SA-N-8 is a navalized MANPAD.
 
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David.R    16 reasons why Russia should not trust the west   10/15/2008 11:52:28 AM
 
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doggtag       10/15/2008 12:51:04 PM

   The Gecko is a SA-8 (SA-N-4) not a SA-N-8. SA-N-8 is a navalized MANPAD.


It's a "front page" article, so get used to little errors here and there.
 
Sometimes, I just think those post starters (people with the keys to posting front page articles)
are doing it just to see if we're paying attention: putting in little errors, or big ones,
just to get some good debate going.
 
Shake things up a bit, so to speak.
 
Typing errors I can understand (who doesn't?).
But outright falsities?
Nah, I just don't see this site's leadership as being that outright inept and tactically mis-informed,
but moreso they're just testing the rest of us to see if we're really paying attention,
and to weed out those unfortunate folk who'll believe anything they read on theInternet, without calling into question its accuracy and validity.
(I for one have certainly learned to research and peruse a lot of the debate subjects on here over the years, just to make sure when we don't have trolls and fanboys trying to pull the wool over our eyes on any given subject by baffling us with made-up bullsh*t to compensate for their lack of solid, well-established, factual data.)
 
And again, a lot of times it makes for ideal fodder to stir up debate!
(but some of us still need to learn how to be more tactful in reminding others when they've made the ocassional mistake or two...)
 
 
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Hurlbee36       10/16/2008 3:25:58 AM


Did Putin write that?  Seems bitter - still pissed off about the money Saddam owed him (oil for arms).  But I love the Russian to English translations (really) - it's always so artistic and emotional.  But hey who knows; next year Americans just may out do the former Soviets with Marxism.
 
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David.R       10/16/2008 10:33:36 AM






Did Putin write that?  Seems bitter - still pissed off about the money Saddam owed him (oil for arms).  But I love the Russian to English translations (really) - it's always so artistic and emotional.  But hey who knows; next year Americans just may out do the former Soviets with Marxism.

Vote for comrade Obama and soon you can visit cuba and smoke those delicious cuban sigars., I smoke them every week, nothing matches those beauties.
 

 
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FlyingDutchman       10/21/2008 2:31:24 PM

While Russia would like Belarus to "rejoin"
the "Russian Federation" (the official name for Russia), the
Belarusians rather enjoy their independence (after many centuries of forcible
incorporation into Russia).

 

When in history was Belarus independant ? Seems like Strategypage is Russia bashing again, Again we read lies about simple facts. I question this site frequently, even lower grade school facts are not safe from revisionism here.  


There might be some errors in StrategyPage articles, but they're nothing compared to the pile of dung you linked.
I doubt I have ever seen such propaganda anywhere.
 
Example 1;
 The US trying to set up a puppet government in Siberia, including already printing money for it, which according to this article (see reason 3) lies in Switzerland.
Example 2;
The West promising Gorbatsjov not to move West? So, if Ireland or Switzerland would want to join, it wouldn't be allowed by Russia (see reason 4)
Example 3;
The West bombing Serbia solely to expand the presence of Islamist Jihadists in the Balkans.
This ofcourse would have absolutely nothing to do with the genocide in places like Sbrenica? *snorts*

 
I think I would find the Brother's Grimm stories to be more reliable. 
 
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