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Air Defense: Fear and Loathing in Iran
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September 28, 2007:
Information coming out of Iran indicates that the military there is very dismayed at how ineffective new Russian anti-aircraft systems were during the Israeli September 6th air strike  on a Syrian weapons development facility near the Iraqi border. Syria  and Iran have both bought billions of dollars worth of the latest Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. Apparently the Israelis were able to blind these systems electronically. Syria isn't saying anything, nor are the Israelis, but Iranian officers are complaining openly that they have been had by the Russians. The Iranians bought Russian equipment based on assurances that the gear would detect and shoot down Israeli warplanes.

Over the Summer Russia delivered the first dozen or so (of 50) Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft systems to Syria. It is believed that some of these systems are going to Iran, if only because Iran is apparently paying for them. Russia made the sale to Syria, despite $13.4 billion still owned for past purchases. Russia forgave most (73 percent) of the old debt, and is taking some of the balance in goods. In return, Syria is able to buy $400 million worth of anti-aircraft systems, mainly the self-propelled Pantsir-S1. This is a mobile system, each vehicle carries radar, two 30mm cannon and twelve Tunguska missiles. The missiles have a twenty kilometer range, the radar a 30 kilometer range. The missile can hit targets at up to 26,000 feet. The 30mm cannon is effective up to 10,000 feet. The vehicle carrying all this weighs 20 tons and has a crew of three.

 

By selling to Syria, even via the use of an enormous discount, Russia gets another foreign customer for their new anti-aircraft systems. Previously, fifty of these systems had been sold to the United Arab Emirates. Each foreign sales make it easier to sell these systems to other foreign customers. But the poor performance in Syria makes it much more difficult to sell any Russian air defense systems (which have a spotty track record in any event.)

 

As a practical matter, Syria is too poor to ever pay back the forgiven debt, so forgiving the debt recognizes that reality. However, because Syria has been a client state of Iran for decades, the assertions that Iran put up the money, and will get many of the systems, carry a lot of weight. Iran would most likely use these systems to protect high value targets, like nuclear weapons research facilities. However, if anyone should get photos of these systems in Iran, there would be quite an uproar.

 

The Iranians fear an Israeli air strike against their nuclear weapons development facilities. It was thought the new Russian missiles and radars would persuade the Israelis to stay away. But now the raid on Syria looks like a dress rehearsal for one a little further east. Since Iranian leaders have openly called for the destruction of Israel, one can't deny the Israelis a little self-defense. Thus the cries and whispers in Iranian military headquarters. A lot of this is leaking on to Farsi language email and message boards. There is much angst and unhappiness.


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sjdoc    So once the Wogs are no longer sitting on...   9/29/2007 3:09:35 AM
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...any supplies of oil recoverable by technology accessible to their native natural resources extraction industries, they will have returned themselves to the rock-ribbed, sterile, absolute poverty from which they were evanescently lifted by the productive portion of the world?
 
Ah, so this has been the strategy all along. Suck 'em dry, leave 'em with cash that they can only spend in commerce with the real producers, and - without capital, either material or human - leave them to starve and die in the desert places where they belong.
 
Devilish deep conspiracy here, isn't it?
 
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french stratege       10/1/2007 3:29:45 PM
Information coming out from Iran...
LOL
Iran are specialists of disinformation and unleaking some false assertions mixed with true..
No proofs here.
 
 
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Herald1234    I suppose youare an expert on Iran now?   10/1/2007 4:08:39 PM
Fortunately there are professionals who know what the hell is going on, poseur1.
 
You, of course, are not one of them.
 
Herald
 
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EW3       10/1/2007 8:51:40 PM

Fortunately there are professionals who know what the hell is going on, poseur1.

 

You, of course, are not one of them.

 

Herald


History has shown that anytime a "vaunted" Soviet/Russian system had to be tested in combat it had a high probability of failure.  Baghdad supposedly had the best they had in the start of GWI and GWII.  And in VN, they actually failed to stop B-52s.   (I read the TS reports every morning back then as an EW on a USN ship) 
It was Congress that stopped the B-52s. 
 
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displacedjim       10/2/2007 9:25:52 AM
EW3, I respectfully suggest some of the "blame" for that lies with the "vaunters."  Information operations is as old as warfare, and I suspect there has always been a significant component of the Red Menace (especially with respect to relatively high-tech weapon systems employment) that we've been willing partners in fabricating and perpetuating.  But to paraphrase an Americanism, "Just because we exaggerate the threat doesn't mean they aren't able to kill us."
 
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DarthAmerica       10/2/2007 12:29:34 PM

Information coming out from Iran...

LOL

Iran are specialists of disinformation and unleaking some false assertions mixed with true..

No proofs here.

LMAO. No proof FS? How about F-15I fuel tanks in Syrian and Turkish territory. How about a bombed target DEEP in Syria. FS will stop at nothing to discredit any non french western operation or technology.

-DA
 
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displacedjim       10/2/2007 1:51:12 PM
BTW, this: "Syria and Iran have both bought billions of dollars worth of the latest Russian anti-aircraft missile systems" is not a true statement.
 
 
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KlubMarcus       10/2/2007 9:17:23 PM
THe dumb Syrian and Iranians are probably buying Russian weapons via CIA agents. Those fools will buy from north koreans so it shouldn't be too hard to convince them that a CIA spy is a Russian arms merchant. Hah!
 
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